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 Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:07 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, Miguel.
Actually, as I've thought about it further, I've decided I could either (A) scale back the amount of RAM on my new computer (I wanted 6 or 8, but may have to settle for 3 to accomodate having Vista 32) so I can get the X2 and Premiere CS3 up and running ASAP and just upgrade my RAM (and, by necessity, my OS) at a later time OR (B) get the system I wanted to buy plus the X2 with Premiere (buying them separately will only cost me more in the long run, anyway,) and just hold off on installing the X2 until the Vista-64 driver is available.
Is there an option you would recommend between the two above or do you think I should just risk it and try to go for the dual-boot method?
Thanks again for your help.
--Robert |
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lombana
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Anonymous wrote: | Thanks, Miguel.
Actually, as I've thought about it further, I've decided I could either (A) scale back the amount of RAM on my new computer (I wanted 6 or 8, but may have to settle for 3 to accomodate having Vista 32) so I can get the X2 and Premiere CS3 up and running ASAP and just upgrade my RAM (and, by necessity, my OS) at a later time OR (B) get the system I wanted to buy plus the X2 with Premiere (buying them separately will only cost me more in the long run, anyway,) and just hold off on installing the X2 until the Vista-64 driver is available.
Is there an option you would recommend between the two above or do you think I should just risk it and try to go for the dual-boot method?
Thanks again for your help.
--Robert |
Hey Robert,
If you want a box with 8gb of ram get a box with 8gb of ram, I have one and it runs perfectly in both Vista 64 and Vista 32, the only diff is that V32 only sees 4gb of the 8gb and reserves about 512m, so in the end I'm told that I'm only working with 3504G of ram and not the entire 4gb. What works for me may drive you crazy every time you look down and see the message on your screen that you are only getting half of the memory that you paid for however.
The RT.X2 is a solid card, it's opened my eyes, especially with the DVI out for preview which is something that I've longed for and have invested in all sorts of other cards, including the Matrox APVe and Blackmagic Intensity Pro and until now have had little success. I now have beautiful widescreen pixel for pixel preview on a 24" Dell Monitor for HDV and appreciate it every day.
CS3 is not a 64bit app so getting your new machine with V64 is not going to give you a CS3 load in 64bit, it's going to load in a 32bit format but will deliver the additional memory you took advantage of, so larger projects will now fit where in the 32bit world Premier may have crashed. I've seen reports and have tested myself where CS3 with 8gb of memory working in V64 "may" in some cases outperform an RT.X2 loaded system. The issue here is going to be real time vs almost real time. Depending on what you're doing, you may be rendering what seems to be a simple project in a NON-RT.X2 system. So it's a very tough call.
To me get the card, load 32bit now, get 8gb's of Ram and if you're feeling tempted to play with 64bit you could always invest in a copy of Symantec (Norton) Ghost and after you have the machine setup perfectly, Ghost the drive, load 64bit and all the apps you want to play with and Ghost it as well, now you can swap back and forth between both OS's without dual booting and it takes about 4 - 7 minutes to load the machine back to where it was when you first started out, a nice clean system ready to edit, just no RT.X2 in 64, YET.
If you want please Private Message me, I'll give you my personal email and I can outline some of these scenarios and even include screen shots if you like as a guide. I'm a firm believer in Ghost, I've been using it for a very long time and once I setup a system, I Ghost the drive and when I feel the need to start over again I can do so in minutes and not hours, I also keep several Ghost versions on my 4th HD with various loads of my system one of which may not include the Matrox or Video drivers, that way if a new version of Matrox comes out that is tied to a specific release of my ATI video graphics card drivers, I can Ghost my machine to a point in time where those 2 drivers were NOT loaded and install them to meet the needs.
Lots of ways to do this, not saying my solution is right for you, but it can't hurt.
Miguel Lombana
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks again, Miguel.
Unfortunately, I need to register in order to PM you, and by registering, I apparently need to register an X2 card first (??) ... anyway, if you wouldn't mind, you could reach me through my MySpace page (kind of tacky, I realize, but anyway...)
http://www.myspace.com/dj_wonderbread
Thanks yet again. Hope to hear from you soon... I'd like to get a better understanding of the whole Ghosting thing.
Take care.
--Robert |
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ferjero989
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: so.. only 3.2 gigs then? |
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so.. the ppl that want to use the matrox card, are stuck to have a "studio editing PC" with only 3.2 gigs? (3.6 with some luck)
cuz as you might know, the 32bit architecture cannot locate resources for memory address beyond the 3.6gigs of ram (including the video memory) |
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Customer_Care_Bassel
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Thank you all for your contribution on this thread and just to confirm that 64bit drivers are currently being worked on and its our goal to release these drivers as soon as possible once Adobe Premiere becomes 64bit ready.
Best regards,
B.C. |
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vidwiz
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| In a similar situation. Considering dual boot but the souped up vid card I want, radeon 4870 x2 has 2 gigs vid memory onboard so am I understanding that with the appx .4 gig os overhead that even with 8 gigs of ram, in vista 32 I will only have 1.6 gigs ram usable? |
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lombana
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| vidwiz wrote: | | In a similar situation. Considering dual boot but the souped up vid card I want, radeon 4870 x2 has 2 gigs vid memory onboard so am I understanding that with the appx .4 gig os overhead that even with 8 gigs of ram, in vista 32 I will only have 1.6 gigs ram usable? |
hard to say if you will show only 1.6g avail but that may be possible, btw I run the 4850 and it suits my needs fully, consumes less power and is only a single slot card. |
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Matrox_Presales
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Hello,
Your contributions and interests are most appreciated and are indeed considered by Matrox Product Development members.
Matrox continually strives to offer the best products in the video-editing market, equipped with the capabilities and features customers require and more. In the spirit of improving and optimizing our products, we encourage you to keep posting your feedback or simply to keep informed on topics of interest by equally visiting the Product Feature Enhancements sections of our Userforums and the Press Releases locations of our website.
Regarding the evolution of 64-bit drivers, we have devoted a section on the RTX2 userforums where you are welcome to post your requirements and VOTE for your preferred solution.
Thanking you again for your interest and looking forward to hearing back from you. |
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zck
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| i dont think 64bit support needs to be voted on. its something that the product should progress quickly to as the need for people to go to 64bit i quite high when working with mega pixel projects. This is 2008, not 1999. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| lombana wrote: | | Anonymous wrote: | On second thought...
I Googled a how-to guide on dual-boot installation and it looks like such a headache (especially for someone with my limited skillset) that I've decided to just keep it simple and flat-out not buy the RT X2 until the 64-bit drivers are released. If I have to bend over backwards or not buy the sytem I want just to accomodate one piece of hardware, it's just not worth it to me anymore.
So all I'll have to do in the meantime is buy a CS3 upgrade for now (saves me a lot of $, too,) and buy the X2 LE whenever it will actually work with my new computer.
Thank you for your help, though. I am grateful that you kept me from making a big mistake.
--Robert |
Robert,
If your goal is to run 64bit then you need to be asking Adobe when they are going to release a 64bit version of Premier, once complete then Matrox can work on the 64bit version of their software. The X2 card is phenomenal for that you just have to trust us users or you can purchase a copy of the DVD from Videoguys that Jeff Pulera produces which dives into the RT.X2 so that you can see what you will gain from having the card, then when you purchase the card you now have an off line tutorial so no wasted $$$.
Don't discount the card because you feel that you need to "accommodate one piece of hardware" as you put it, to me you're trying to accommodate one piece of software ie Vista64.
Miguel |
The idea that there would be no benefit to supporting a 64bit driver because Premiere isnt native 64 yet wasn't well thought out. Hardware is useless without 64bit drivers in a 64 bit environment, therefore Matrox has no market base if a potential client goes with the better 64 bit Operating system to solve the obvious ram bottleneck we all run into working with HD video in a 32bit environment. In a 64 bit environment, software can easily be installed and ran with no issues at all. So the notion that matrox will be wasting its time by releasing drivers for the growing 64 bit users is ludicrous.
Working with a highly compressed video file say mpeg2 (HDV) you run into a ram bottleneck nearly every time you do something in After Effects on any 32 bit OS. I grew tired trying to composite in After Effects only using 2 gigs of ram. I had 4 installed but learned that 32 bit operating systems will only utilize 3 gigs of ram. software ran within a 32 bit OS can only utilize 2 of the 3 gigs of ram so I moved to vista 64bit. Vista solved all my problems, even with the poorly coded Adobe Production Premium.
Don't get me wrong, I would love a matrox card in my system. I have 32 bit windows xp installed on my computer, I simply don't boot to it. All my software works great in a 64 bit environment giving me no reason to keep xp alive. Just like most other video production friends of mine, I just want my solution to be a solution. Making my HD workflow more complex by having to: boot, capture, and edit, in a ram limited software environment, then, transcode my work into something generic to boot to my 64 bit os and composite in after effects, to finally work backwards to get it back into premiere, is a rather unrealistic solution to utilize the great products matrox has made available to us. So while they refuse to release a 64 bit driver I choose to live with rendering and working with mpeg2. sadly its a bad move on the end of matrox because its just a matter of time before a better solution is made available that supports 64 bit environments, even if just for the ram benefits. Matrox could lose a lot of potential customers, myself included.
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FerJeRo989
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i really stupid to wait for adobe to become 64 to make the 64bit drivers of the card. Since then you need 64 software to use 64bit drivers?
winamp is 32bit, and yet it uses the 64bit sound card driver.
all of my opengl and direct3d games are 32bit, yet they use the 64bit vid card driver.
so, why do we need to wait for 64adobe to use the card? thats stupid. |
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Spider_2005_NVS
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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When you check the release date of some rt.x2 drivers you'll see that some components are very old. One component of the rt.x2 driver set is 6 or 7 years old (i don?t like to bootl 32-bit OS now to find out the name of this component).
In my opinion matrox is a reasonable hardware manufacturer, but they have no one which is capable to create software.
If you look to the history matrox software (tools and drives) are a nightmare.
- With rt.x2 they have removed ALL video transition effect.
- They have released patches with a size > 4 GB and customers were not able to download it for weeks because of a really slow internet connection.
- Matrox Drivers are not compatible with power-save mode. Is this Ok in 2008?
- No 64-Bit drivers. Even Windows XP is available in a 64 Bit version since years.
- Some software is not runnig with Matrox drivers installed. For example AVSVideoConverter is not starting with active matrox drivers. I wrote a tool to enable/disable the matrox card and drivers on the fly.
- Read the message from the marketing guy twice. It?s only waffle.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Spider_2005_NVS
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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When you check the release date of some rt.x2 drivers you'll see that some components are very old. One component of the rt.x2 driver set is 6 or 7 years old (i don?t like to bootl 32-bit OS now to find out the name of this component).
In my opinion matrox is a reasonable hardware manufacturer, but they have no one which is capable to create software.
If you look to the history matrox software (tools and drives) are a nightmare.
- With rt.x2 they have removed ALL video transition effect.
- They have released patches with a size > 4 GB and customers were not able to download it for weeks because of a really slow internet connection.
- Matrox Drivers are not compatible with power-save mode. Is this Ok in 2008?
- No 64-Bit drivers. Even Windows XP is available in a 64 Bit version since years.
- Some software is not runnig with Matrox drivers installed. For example AVSVideoConverter is not starting with active matrox drivers. I wrote a tool to enable/disable the matrox card and drivers on the fly.
- Read the message from the marketing guy twice. It?s only waffle.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Spider_2005_NVS
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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When you check the release date of some rt.x2 drivers you'll see that some components are very old. One component of the rt.x2 driver set is 6 or 7 years old (i don?t like to bootl 32-bit OS now to find out the name of this component).
In my opinion matrox is a reasonable hardware manufacturer, but they have no one which is capable to create software.
If you look to the history matrox software (tools and drives) are a nightmare.
- With rt.x2 they have removed ALL video transition effect.
- They have released patches with a size > 4 GB and customers were not able to download it for weeks because of a really slow internet connection.
- Matrox Drivers are not compatible with power-save mode. Is this Ok in 2008?
- No 64-Bit drivers. Even Windows XP is available in a 64 Bit version since years.
- Some software is not runnig with Matrox drivers installed. For example AVSVideoConverter is not starting with active matrox drivers. I wrote a tool to enable/disable the matrox card and drivers on the fly.
- Read the message from the marketing guy twice. It?s only waffle.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Spider_2005_NVS
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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When you check the release date of some rt.x2 drivers you'll see that some components are very old. One component of the rt.x2 driver set is 6 or 7 years old (i don?t like to bootl 32-bit OS now to find out the name of this component).
In my opinion matrox is a reasonable hardware manufacturer, but they have no one which is capable to create software.
If you look to the history matrox software (tools and drives) are a nightmare.
- With rt.x2 they have removed ALL video transition effect.
- They have released patches with a size > 4 GB and customers were not able to download it for weeks because of a really slow internet connection.
- Matrox Drivers are not compatible with power-save mode. Is this Ok in 2008?
- No 64-Bit drivers. Even Windows XP is available in a 64 Bit version since years.
- Some software is not runnig with Matrox drivers installed. For example AVSVideoConverter is not starting with active matrox drivers. I wrote a tool to enable/disable the matrox card and drivers on the fly.
- Read the message from the marketing guy twice. It?s only waffle.
Just my 2 cents. |
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